Peace Like A River


It was a wide river, mistakable for a lake or even an ocean unless you'd been wading and knew its current. Somehow I'd crossed it... Now I saw the stream regrouped below, flowing on through what might've been vineyards, pastures, orhards... It flowed between and alongside the rivers of people; from here it was no more than a silver wire winding toward the city. - Leif Enger, Peace Like A River

Saturday, October 01, 2005

Behe and Intelligent Design

Last night Dr. Michael Behe came to give a lecture here on the campus of the University of Minnesota. A friend of mine and I went. It was in one of the large lecture halls in the physics building, and was standing room only.

For those of you not familiar with him, Behe is one of the most well-known proponents of the intelligent design framework. His book, Darwin's Black Box, is one of the standard texts in the field of intelligent design.

(Behe said he will be providing testimony at some point in the ID trial underway in Pennsylvania.)

Behe only spoke for a little over an hour (with about 20 minutes for questions), so he gave a quick overview of his case for ID. But what he did have to say was quite interesting.

One point he made is that everyone, even Darwinists, would say many, if not most, things in biology look designed. Of course Darwinists would say the design came through random mutations and natural selection, but nevertheless, biological structures looked like their parts were aggregated for a purpose.

He gave the example of a flagellum in bacteria, a small strand a bacteria uses to propel itself. (My background is in physics, not biology, so forgive any errors here.) The mechanism by which this flagellum works functions basically like an outboard motor.

Behe is particulary known for his argument for design from irreducible complexity. This means, in many biological structures, if you took away one component, the whole structure would cease to function. The argument, then, is how could something have evolved in stages, if all of the components need to be there for a biological function to work at all.

One example from his book is the blood clotting cascade. The biochemical steps the body goes through to form a clot, from the moment you cut yourself, say, to when the clot forms, are amazing.

A clot is formed by fibrin, but that can't exist in your bloodstream all the time, or the blood in your veins would clot up. So, there's an inert form in your bloodstream called fibrinogen. Something needs to tell fibrinogen to change into fibrin, and that something is called thrombin. But, similarly, that can't always exist in your bloodstream, or your fibrinogen would turn into fibrin. So, there's an inert form in your bloodstream called prothrombin. And, similarly, something needs to act to turn prothrombin into thrombin when a clot is need, and so on. There are several such steps involved.

Behe's argument is that you take one of these steps away, and you can't form blood clots, and you bleed to death. How did something like that evolve, if you need all these factors and their inert forms and ways to signal them to act in your blood all at once?

Behe spent a little time talking about reaction to this argument, and his response to the reaction. I won't summarize all that here. You can read about, for instance see here.

I've not read a great deal on ID, but I was thinking along such lines before I had ever heard of ID. I mean, so many things look like they were designed with a purpose in mind. To me, the Designer is the Creator.

It goes without saying that many scientists who believe in evolution react to ID as if you suggested the world was created by little Keebler elves. They do not believe ID is scientific.

Behe made the point though last night that Darwinists cannot explain exactly how the pathways by which biological structures like the flagellum, or processes like blood clotting, evolved. Sure, there are many explanations and attempts at explanations, but when it comes down to it, these explanations boil down to "well, this might have..."

Behe is really just trying to have a scientific argument, asking the question, if these processes really are irreducibly complex, how is it possible that something evolved? Can anyone explain how such a structure could have evolved? Behe is really not trying to have a theological or philosophical argument.

Abednego at the Parableman blog has a current example of the Darwinist reaction to the ID community. He tells of a petition going around. Read the post and see what they're objecting to.

A couple times during the lecture last night, someone would hiss, or murmur, and after one person asked a question that seemed to really get Behe (zing! we gotcha!) some people clapped and cheered.

But just what are they cheering? What victory do they think they won? The people in the ID field are just trying to have a debate on the merits. That is what science is supposed to be about, after all. But as I wrote about here, there is more involved with these matters than just pure science.

3 Comments:

  • At Sun Oct 02, 12:23:00 AM, johngrif said…

    Do Darwinists really believe there are answers?

     
  • At Sun Oct 02, 07:28:00 PM, Jeff said…

    Another interesting thing Behe pointed out was that biologists, including Darwinists, implicitly operate from a design framework. I mean, they study biological structures with the assumption that things are there for a purpose, they're trying to figure out how they work. Again, the assumption being they do work, they do perform a function.

    As I mentioned, the Darwinists believe this came about through random selection and mutation. But, it always makes me wonder how people can look everywhere, and see things in nature that work, that have purpose, and think it was not designed by Someone.

     
  • At Tue Oct 11, 11:16:00 AM, johngrif said…

    Jeff,

    I've found a new interest through one of your links ( from H. Hewitt's new blog). EIDOS appears to be one journal I will read seriously.

    http://www.johnmarkreynolds.com

    It's his attitude more than his actual statements. It's often what you don't say.

    Here is Reynolds writing about ID, in a response to NRO's John Derbyshire:

    He (Derbyshire) limits science to methodological naturalism. Of course, the history of science shows cases where this limit was not observed to good effect. Where does this limit come from? Why must we observe it? Derbyshire does not say. He simply defines science and in doing so defines any personal agent out, if that agent cannot be reduced to a "natural" cause. Of course, he is not just getting rid of God as a cause in science, but also the human soul. Since it really seems to me that the soul is a needed thing in explaining human action and that it cannot be reduced (in any way) to matter or energy, I am skeptical about his limitation.

    ---
    I like the 19c moral philosphers and writers. They would be horrified at the emptiness at the center (borrowing a phrase from one of your postings) of modern science.

    John Hay, that wonderful 20c. New
    England nature poet, observes,

    In all our technological games and schemes, is there not something behind Nature that plays with us, even as we think WE play with it?

     

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