Dis-Strib-Ute
Perhaps realizing that the future of news does not necessarily lie with unshaven readers trudging out to the mailbox in their bunny slippers to retrieve the news on pressed rolls of ink-sodden dead trees, the Star Tribune has been making some efforts lately to engage the blogosphere.
The Saturday paper carries The Blog House, a column by Tim O'Brien with a round-up of various blogs from week to week.
Another brand new effort is The Big Question, a blog by Eric Black. According to the Strib's blurb:
The first post was about this week's elections in Iraq, and the current state of things in Iraq.
There are interviews with seven "experts". This being the Strib, the fair and balanced lineup include Juan Cole. (Ben comments on the "experts" here.)
I wanted to just highlight some of the comments in this first posting, from some of the various "You's" the Strib wanted to hear from, the citizen-poets so full of "insight, expertise and critical assessment". Their opinions are representative of the critical thinking that characterizes some of the anti-war positions in the Left. I don't often resort to fisking here, but I might indulge myself here.
K.Briggs says:
Me: Iraq is turbulent now? Yes, it was positively Edenic under Saddam Hussein. The argument seems to be, if we hadn't gone into Iraq, the world would love us, Iraq would still be tranquil, and terrorism would be at barely noticeable levels. Would Zarqawi be an insurance salesman now if the US hadn't gone into Iraq? Perhaps bin Laden would be doing political shtick on the Jimmy Kimmel show in an effort to attract some of the audience from The Daily Show?
Rob LaFleur says:
Me: Yes, jackbooted US Marines and soldiers are on the march worldwide. Getting bogged down in Iraq is sure going to put a crimp in our plans to invade Norway. (Or was Belize supposed to be next?) And apparently we happened to notice one day, whilst sipping mint juleps on the veranda, that those brown people in Iraq were different than us, so we just up and decided to invade. I hope the US military doesn't realize those engineers down the hall from me are a little bit different too, or my cubicle might become a free-fire zone.
K.Briggs says (again):
Me: Perhaps this says something about the sample selected by Eric Black.
Kerry Olson says:
Me: I will agree that the Bush Administration did not adequately plan for the insurgency that followed. But again, there seems to be this belief that under Saddam Hussein Iraq was a model state. I guess it was "stable" in that the rate of people being gassed, raped, fed into woodchippers or otherwise buried in mass graves was fairly steady. No possibility that removing Hussein may be a good thing? Anyone?
The Saturday paper carries The Blog House, a column by Tim O'Brien with a round-up of various blogs from week to week.
Another brand new effort is The Big Question, a blog by Eric Black. According to the Strib's blurb:
Whatever the question, our hope is that this blog can serve as a forum for finding and testing facts, with a minimum of rancor or partisanship, in the pursuit of answers, big and small. Despite evidence and commentary to the contrary, it's our hope that most people in this state and this country remain open-minded and hungry for those answers. And, despite the often-overheated rhetoric about the mainstream media, it's our belief that those answers will be more convincing and more complete if they are drawn from the insight, expertise and critical assessment of everyone. And that means you.
The first post was about this week's elections in Iraq, and the current state of things in Iraq.
There are interviews with seven "experts". This being the Strib, the fair and balanced lineup include Juan Cole. (Ben comments on the "experts" here.)
I wanted to just highlight some of the comments in this first posting, from some of the various "You's" the Strib wanted to hear from, the citizen-poets so full of "insight, expertise and critical assessment". Their opinions are representative of the critical thinking that characterizes some of the anti-war positions in the Left. I don't often resort to fisking here, but I might indulge myself here.
K.Briggs says:
Here’s my $.02. I will argue differently from the first commenter. Where Iraq is concerned, there is NO path that can take us from where we are today to an outcome that will make the whole thing worth it to the US.
Iraq is a dismal failure, possibly the worst foreign policy disaster in US history. Our "leadership" have squandered the lives of our chidren, our military, our reputation and our resources on an unnessary war that has accomplished what?–a world that has contempt for the US, a turbulent Iraq (with close ties to Iran), and an increase in terrorism.
Me: Iraq is turbulent now? Yes, it was positively Edenic under Saddam Hussein. The argument seems to be, if we hadn't gone into Iraq, the world would love us, Iraq would still be tranquil, and terrorism would be at barely noticeable levels. Would Zarqawi be an insurance salesman now if the US hadn't gone into Iraq? Perhaps bin Laden would be doing political shtick on the Jimmy Kimmel show in an effort to attract some of the audience from The Daily Show?
Rob LaFleur says:
It is unreasonable to think we can dominate the world militarily. Look at the billions we have spent in Iraq without getting to a successful conclusion. If we multiply that by all the other Islamic states, our economy would implode under the burden of that level of military activity. Crushing everyone who is different from us is impossible.
Me: Yes, jackbooted US Marines and soldiers are on the march worldwide. Getting bogged down in Iraq is sure going to put a crimp in our plans to invade Norway. (Or was Belize supposed to be next?) And apparently we happened to notice one day, whilst sipping mint juleps on the veranda, that those brown people in Iraq were different than us, so we just up and decided to invade. I hope the US military doesn't realize those engineers down the hall from me are a little bit different too, or my cubicle might become a free-fire zone.
K.Briggs says (again):
All of the people interviewed by Eric Black were quite pessimistic about the future of Iraq.
Me: Perhaps this says something about the sample selected by Eric Black.
Kerry Olson says:
I am puzzled. Did not the American government know that the removal of Saddam would result in the destablization that has occurred? The experts seem to be surprised that we did not know this.
Me: I will agree that the Bush Administration did not adequately plan for the insurgency that followed. But again, there seems to be this belief that under Saddam Hussein Iraq was a model state. I guess it was "stable" in that the rate of people being gassed, raped, fed into woodchippers or otherwise buried in mass graves was fairly steady. No possibility that removing Hussein may be a good thing? Anyone?






8 Comments:
At Mon Dec 12, 06:02:00 PM, jngriff said…
Is Al Qaeda openly recruiting in the Twin Cities? Or is Mr. Briggs merely a symphathizer?
He would last less than a minute with the families of those who are fighting for our freedom in Iraq.
At Mon Dec 12, 10:35:00 PM, Jayson said…
Don't fall for the trick of accepting their label of "anti-war"; most of them are NOT an "anti-war." They should be more accurately described as "pseudo-peace."
At Tue Dec 13, 10:58:00 AM, Jeff said…
Some days it seems like there is no need for Al Qaeda to recruit. There seem to be plenty of volunteers to be their banner carriers.
At Tue Dec 13, 09:17:00 PM, hammerswing75 said…
It is at times like these when I wonder if debate is dead. Is it possible to engage in an intelligent discussion with those who call Iraq "a dismal failure" or "the most biggerest catostrophre since ever!"
We haven't been perfect, but we've been closer to it than should be expected. Iraq is on the verge of being a constitutional democracy with an elected government after only three years of minimal fighting. That is a huge success. Iraqis still have plenty of work and so do we, but the steps being taken are not of the baby variety. They are big, long-legged steps towards a better world. If the Strib and its activist readers don't see that then there is little that can be done for them.
At Wed Dec 14, 11:26:00 AM, jngriff said…
"Is it possible to engage in an intelligent discussion .."?
It was 1968. Chicago. The Democratic National Convention. Mobs ruled the streets. Not yesterday.. but not so long ago, as the news of former Senator McCarthy reminds us.
While a college student, I watched those frenzied anti war faces via TV. Today those faces are no longer opposing America from the streets. They lie as the media secular elite.
Ordinary people--the shocked majority who saw this riotous hatred of America-- could not reason with what they saw. (Which is part of the reason for the election results of 1968.)
Today's rant differs little.
A rant of hatred for the rest of US.
(See Cal Thomas from Dec. 8 about the "new faces" of the ABC N. News elite):
---excerpt
Liberal journalists see the world through their own prism: big government and higher taxes are good; abortion on demand is good; nothing wrong with homosexual practice or same-sex marriage; America is evil or, if not evil, the cause of much of the world's problems; religious people are by definition unintelligent and need watching; Democrats are better than Republicans and have a "divine right" (if they believed in the divine, which most big-time journalists do not) to run our government; Bush is evil and an idiot; the war in Iraq is a failure and nothing American soldiers are doing is worthwhile.
http://soapbox.townhall.com/opinion/columns/calthomas/2005/12/08/178222.html
At Wed Dec 14, 01:26:00 PM, Jeff said…
Yes, valid point of how many on the Left view the world through a different prism. This quickness to bash America is not one of their more attractive qualities. This is one of the things I was getting at in my Postmodern Left post. I think they react to negatively to the good America does in the world because to acknowledge there is such thing as good, and evil, would mean acknowledging a standard of objective truth, and their prism does not allow that.
In the comments of another post, a person, apparently of the Lefty persuasion, who has been commenting here lately said "Canada has a better shot at conquering the U.S. (At least they might have people like myself helping them.)"
There's a prism I cannot relate to.
At Wed Dec 14, 02:50:00 PM, Karlo said…
Let us forget the inconvenient fact that the great patriot Rummsfeld was befriending Saddam AFTER the incidents occurred that Saddam's being tried for (and also AFTER the U.S. State Department informed the U.S. government that they thought Saddam was little more that a brutal dictator.)
At Wed Dec 14, 08:31:00 PM, Jeff said…
It's true, the US has not always been as hard on all dictators as we might have been. And I think that has bought us some ill will in the Middle East.
I just ask though, what should we have done with Iraq and Iran in the 1980s? Iran was, and is, a sponsor of terrorism. They had held our people hostage for over 400 days. Here was a chance to support a power who could damage them. What's the right thing to do?
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